Curse

Blame the Monks · Oct 02, 2006, 03:56 PM // 15:56

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

I guess you're assuming that most people that strive for the Survivor (3) title either are primary monks or have a monk secondary to keep protective spirit up (which is a major generalization).

Everyone can change secondary, and why wouldn't you if you know the primary threat is a single major hit? And while its true that your paper counters my rock, with a bit of sense and some scissors secondary skills I can and did manage. I speak from personal experience here -- pve is just not difficult unless you do something dumb.

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

I highly doubt that 2 or 3 people represent a majority of GW players.

More representative than a secondhand account of what your friends say they did, surely. I don't recall anyone who actually earned the title saying the best way is to farm trolls and/or ditch. In fact, it seems of those who have the title it is the opposite. The responses in this thread are something like this:

Poster without survivor: Survivor sucks because people just farm to get it.
Poster without survivor2: Ya its true damn ditchers.
Poster WITH survivor: Actually we get it from capping skills and not being dumb.
Poster WITH survivor2: Ya I capped all 180 skills exp to get it.
Poster WITH survivor3: So did I; double cap weekend ftw!

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Here are some of the actual posts, including every person who commented they had survivor 3:

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Survival title pfft, i'm guessing 9 out of 10 get leveled, get run through missions, or are mission quiters.

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Originally Posted by Mickey

9/10, try 3/10, some of us actually really try to get that title, I went through every mission to get that title, and it was pretty dang hard. You need to also take into account that getting lvled to 20 at droks is impossible without dying, due to the fact that you die on the droks run, at Dreadnaught's Drift.

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Originally Posted by Caspar

The Rank 3 Suvivor Title wasn't that hard to get due to this weekend's event. I managed to pull it off by capping 95 skills... at which point I ran out of gold for the Signets. So now I have the rank 1 Skill Hunter and Rank 3 Survivor

Time to work on the other titles.

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Originally Posted by kade

I earned it.

(Context of post shows he meant earned as opposed to powerleveled).

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Originally Posted by Monkey Blonde

As for Legendary Survivor, it is unfortunate that people can find such easy ways to attain this, causing people to be skeptical of all. I earned my ele's title through careful gameplay. I am currently working on a warrior Legendary Survivor-to-be. I took advantage of the elite skill capping weekend to grab about 35 elites. I plan to get a significant part of my eventual mapping title done before maxing the title as well as many more elites to be capped.

And in case I haven't said it before -- I earned survivor 3 by capping ~100 elites, earning 100% explore cantha, and completing all missions, bonuses, and quests in the game. The great majority was only hench, altho on occasion I would get a guild group. And FYI, I henched two of the titan quests, gayla hatchery, unwaking, and eternal grove so I know its possible

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But in any event, I will stop trying to beat a dead horse here as I don't want to derail the thread. The whole ditcher/farmer mantra the survivor-haters on guru have just doesn't reflect reality, but meh.

Mr.H.Mishima · Oct 02, 2006, 04:00 PM // 16:00

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

Grandmaster Cartographers are also pretty sweet, as you can really tell that they've experienced almost every ounce of PvE there is to experience.

The only thing about the Protector of Tyria and Cantha titles that irk me are that they are simply too easy to get - I bet I could get both of them in less than a week's time by joining PuGs.

Grandmaster Tyria is a real pain. The amout of time it took me to go from 95% to 100% was about 3 weeks. It's boring, you can't run - as the step my not register with the server, and you need to bring hench in the high level areas...ever fight through Snake Dance, Dreadnaughts' Drift and Lornar's Path with hench? Know how long that takes? You gotta clear EVERYTHING out to be able to map.

Heh...if you think you can get PuG's to do that...go for it

I bet it's a lot harder than you think with PuG's. I did Tyria with hench (except Arborstone and THK). Still working on Cantha. If you want to give either a try, look me up.

Mr_eX · Oct 02, 2006, 04:09 PM // 16:09

Definitely have to go with Master/Grandmaster Cartographer, Champion, and Skill Hunter. To a lesser extent the Protector titles. KoaBD/PKM obviously go without saying.

All of the other title tracks can be bought or otherwise BSed. They're still great achievements, and good for you if you earned the title yourself, but you're not gonna get a second look from me.

SirShadowrunner · Oct 02, 2006, 04:12 PM // 16:12

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Originally Posted by Blame the Monks

Everyone can change secondary, and why wouldn't you if you know the primary threat is a single major hit? And while its true that your paper counters my rock, with a bit of sense and some scissors secondary skills I can and did manage. I speak from personal experience here -- pve is just not difficult unless you do something dumb.

That is a pretty broad statement to cover the entire PvE game, I agree most of the time
you have the upper hand in fights, but go try to do all the SF quests with all henchies
and see if that statement still applies or try going with less than a full group for more
of a challenge.

On the OP's topic, I would say I respect the almost all of the titles except the Survivor
title, I have witnessed how most ppl have gotten this title and it makes me very mad,
titles to me just say what part of the game you are playing alot.

Dobermann · Oct 02, 2006, 04:20 PM // 16:20

Rank 13

(imk r6)

nugzta · Oct 02, 2006, 04:20 PM // 16:20

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

Please reread all of the responses on the thread again, and I'll bet that you'll only count 2 or 3 people that claim that they earned it "the hard way". I highly doubt that 2 or 3 people represent a majority of GW players.

And you know the majority survivors are farmers? Because "many" of your friends are surviving farmers but that doesnt they represent the majority of survivors.

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

By the way, it's not cowardice for people to find the safest way to achieve a title - it's a risk/reward proposition. I would surmise that most people that have already achieved 700K+ of experience towards a title aren't going to risk that progress fighting Glint or Kuunavang.

I didnt pull out my experience number in the screen but it was around 500k EXP (after done some capping and canthan quests) and these guys are PUGs. If your friends cant do it the proper way why would they be getting it? Titles are meant for people who have done everything and got nothing else to do. You dont really need titles, it is there to challenge you. I failed survivor 3 times (twice because of vizunah death bug and 1 lag spike) with one survivor failed at 1.2mill EXP, it didnt stop me on getting it. Luckily this elite cap event helped me alot and finally I got my Legendary Survivor.

Jetdoc · Oct 02, 2006, 05:05 PM // 17:05

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Originally Posted by Blame the Monks

I don't recall anyone who actually earned the title saying the best way is to farm trolls and/or ditch. In fact, it seems of those who have the title it is the opposite.

But in any event, I will stop trying to beat a dead horse here as I don't want to derail the thread. The whole ditcher/farmer mantra the survivor-haters on guru have just doesn't reflect reality, but meh.

Why on earth would anyone post in here stating that they were PROUD of gaining their Survivor (3) title by farming? Surmizing that most survivor (3)'s took the risk by gaining the Protector titles via 2-3 personalized accounts is a bit suspect, to say the least.

For those of you that obtained survivor (3) by playing the main storylines, I absolutely applaud your efforts - that is an incredibly difficult feat (especially for the poster that mentioned that he was at 1.2 million when he died)! Unfortunately, I think the overall title has a negative downcast on it, reflecting poorly on those that truly earned it via playing the game versus power leveling/farming.

Jetdoc · Oct 02, 2006, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by nugzta

If your friends cant do it the proper way why would they be getting it?

Pursuing the KoaBD title.

JoeKnowMo · Oct 02, 2006, 06:05 PM // 18:05

I bow down to silver/gold trim although it's not a title. That is the only one I'm not suspicious of and can say I geniunely respect. Yes, I'm aware of smurfing and other such stuff, but in the end you gotta play against other top players.

Champion, gladiator, hero depending on how it was earned i guess as it should denote some level of skill. I'm a little suspicious of some of these as are many others for obvious reasons. Also, I've played against or with some of them in AB and FA and have many times not been impressed by skill or build creativity. I really don't think the other titles are impressive as the amount of skill involved is minimal. Having said that, I have earned some of them as they are fun to try for.

Survivor, meh. I saw about 10 ppl get legendary survivor thru faction farming. I've had quite a few ppl with survivor titles leave the group when the going gets bad. Many have earned it with hench cuz hench won't get upset if/when u pussyquit. It seems difficult, but if you always take prot spirit and other defensive/self-heal skills and go for the F12 button when you get < 25% HP, you're guaranteed to get it.

Faction titles means you faction farm a lot, which gets boring fast.
Cratographer sounds great but it's extremely tedious to get.
Wisdom/Treasure Hunter are ok, but chest farming and then IDing stuff over and over loses it's charm fast.
Drunkard is the best sounding title, but isn't as fun as getting the title irl.
Lucky/Unlucky got boring quickly.

Skill hunter is the one PvE title that I have some respect for esp. since it doesn't involve boredom. However, it involves capping elites that your char will probably never use. And since I have these elites capped on other, more appropriate chars, or unlocked thru Balth faction, I can't see the point of doing it other than for the title.

I was really excited about titles when they first came out, but quickly soured on most them. Not sure that there's any solution though.

I hope my heroes don't try for the survivor titles. I'm going to be uspet if they quit everytime the going gets bad :P

elLOCOmutha · Oct 02, 2006, 06:55 PM // 18:55

I don't get impressed by anything in a pc game. OOOO loook he has a crystalline sword OOooo look he has mapped out 100% of tyria!

Although my paycheck does impress me..alot!

Ferrous Capuchin · Oct 02, 2006, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Originally Posted by Paperfly

The single biggest alarm bell, though, comes from the Protector of [the continent you're currently playing] in mission areas. You know for a fact that this guy's already finished the mission, so why is he there? There's four possible reasons, only one of which involves him playing properly with your group if he joins: helping a guildmate (good - and you can easily check this by looking at guild tags), mapping (bad), chest runs (plusbad), and skill capping (doubleplusbad).

Nah, some of us actually play this game for fun, believe it or not.

Dougal Kronik · Oct 02, 2006, 07:44 PM // 19:44

Grandmaster Cartographer, Skill Hunter, and Protector.

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Soon Sunspear Legend.

Gigashadow · Oct 02, 2006, 07:57 PM // 19:57

Even titles which aren't that hard to get, mean something, if only that the player has put X hours into the game (and thus would know more than someone who has put 0 hours into the game).

For example, let's say a Rank 1 gladiator (not hard to get, especially if you farm RA as a monk) vs someone with no title. No guarantee whatsoever that either is any good, but in the gladiator case you know that the player has at least invested X hours in the game, while the other played may or may not have. Basically you're choosing between someone about whom you have some information, and someone about whom you have zero information. This is true for most titles actually.

Gigashadow · Oct 02, 2006, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by Tark Alkerk

to be honest i am not immpressed by any of the titles really,
i have beaten rank 9s and rank 5 gladitors in the past

What does that mean? You mean in a duel? GW is not about duels.

Did you maybe mean some team of people you were on, beat some other team of people that had someone with one of those titles in it? That makes it all their fault and them a poor player?

ValaOfTheFens · Oct 02, 2006, 08:01 PM // 20:01

the invisible one I have: Really A Crap n00b.

The Drunkard titles are my favs. The Sunspear titles are a close second. I wonder what title you'll have to get in order for it to show in the actual game. Sunspear Commander?

King's Spectre · Oct 02, 2006, 09:37 PM // 21:37

After burning through a few characters getting it, I respect Survivor(3). It's a shame that some people have themselves power-leveled for it.

For those who don't, they first have to learn what can kill them. Easy? Maybe, but they only have to be wrong once. Took me the loss of a survivor(2) that had done everything through Thunderhead to learn the proper respect for Canthan bosses.

They have to be on the ball every second they're playing. This is what makes it fun for me, but one instance of "stayed up to late" and it's all over. *fails to mention unfortunate run-in with a dwarven catapult*

They have to be a bit of a gambler if they do any solo killing. All it takes is a 10 second lag spike to kill them off. Lost a million XP character this way - she'd cleared cantha all the way to unwaking waters from both directions and was trying to get into easy skill-cap range of the title.

I'll continue to assume that any Legendary Survivors got their titles the hard way.

cry of the rapture · Oct 02, 2006, 11:54 PM // 23:54

champion titles for the win. You can't really "grind" to get a champion title ; it's all skill

Ork Pride · Oct 03, 2006, 12:27 AM // 00:27

Grandmaster Treasure hunter, because 10,000 keys means the person is rich.

elleray · Oct 03, 2006, 12:32 AM // 00:32

To be honest, the drunkard titles shock me. When i see someone with it, and know that theyve sat there for hours, refilling on ale every minute, is amazing. However, i guess you could just make a macro to keep clicking of the beer, but thats a different story.

The Real Roy Keane · Oct 03, 2006, 12:36 AM // 00:36

As regards PvP: Champion(by quite a great stretch) > Hero > Gladiator > Allegiance Title.

In PvE, I suppose Skill Hunter would be the title thats holds the most weight in my estimation.